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Common Ground!

There is no common ground between this world and the Christian faith!

Written by tfheringer

February 2, 2009 at 2:02 am

Please Speak up in defense of Israel

Written by tfheringer

January 28, 2009 at 4:03 am

King of Kings and Lord of Lords

At the climactic stop of his 137-mile train trip that began in Philadelphia, passed through Wilmington, Del. and was to end at Washington’s Union Station, Obama spoke of the need to recapture the spirit of the American revolution. “What is required is a new declaration of independence, not just in our nation, but in our own lives – from ideology and small thinking, prejudice and bigotry…” he said
    He added, “Only a handful of times in our history has a generation been confronted with challenges so vast,” citing tough economic times and two wars. Americans today must call upon “the same perseverance and idealism that our founders displayed,” to deal with those challenges, he said. (from the dc examiner)

If what is meant in the bold type, that Obama means for those of us who still believe the Bible should give it up to a global ideal, then I have a problem with it. First the only world wide government that will work is the one with the Lord Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Any movement that seeks to minimize Christ and put Him on equal footing with other religions (those man made ones?) is not going to be supported by those of us who still believe the scriptures. The suggestion that is being made sounds strangely like the rule of the Anti Christ. The only logic that makes sense to me is the one that says if A is true (being Christ), then B can not be true (being all others) .  This being true then I stand on the following scripture:

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.  (Act 4:12)”



These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.  (Rev 17:14)

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.  (Rev 19:16)


And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:  (Rev 19:1)

For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.  (Rev 19:2)

And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.  (Rev 19:3)

And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.  (Rev 19:4)


And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.  (Rev 19:13)

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.  (Rev 19:14)

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.  (Rev 19:15)

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.  (Rev 19:16)

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;  (Rev 19:17)


And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  (Rev 20:15)


I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.  (Rev 22:13)


“And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.”

The net result of controversy over the teaching of scripture has been to solidify and define how those who continue to adhere to the teaching of Scripture view the subject. No controversy that I have ever seen or been a part of has had any effects that caused the other side to abandon their beliefs. For instance in the 70’s I had a controversy with some friends over the doctrines of Grace. They have not changed and neither have I. However, I know what I believe and can put it into words much better. I have also learned that since controversy is really a ragging river, that I can find safety and comfort only when I am near to the feet of my Great and Good Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing can really be over whelming when I am near to HIM. Certainly that was the experience of Martin Luther at the Diet of Worms (pronounced vorms) a night of prayer and closeness to Jesus gave him confidence to the day ahead.  That is how it ought to be our confidence is not in our selves, but is in our Great and Good Shepherd.

There was controversy that led to the Nicene creed, which the above final paragraph is quoted above. The controversies that swirled around the Christian faith during the first five centuries centered around two errors. The first of these was gnosticism, which denied that the Lord Jesus had a real body. The problem they saw was they considered God to be to pure to occupy or be joined to a human body. The Apostles Creed drawn up in the first or second century refuted gnosticism, that is it emphasized that Jesus Christ had a real body of flesh. Thus it denied the gnostic heresy. The Nicene creed drawn up in the fourth century refuted Arianism, that is that Jesus was fully man, but he was not fully God. These two heresies either denied a real body for Christ who was really God or denied Christ was God, but that He had a real body. Gnosticism was the first of these two and Arianism was the second of these. So the Apostles creed repudiated gnosticism and the Nicene creed repudiated Arianism. The Athanasian creed which came much later expanded on the Nicean creed, because by the 5th and 6th century Arianism had expanded.

I am a baptist and by way of explanation, baptists do not consider themselves to be creedle. They are also in no way to be considered liturgical and this kind of worship just plain makes me very uncomfortable. However, do not make the mistake of thinking that I have no value for these three great creeds. I certainly believe in the doctrinal beliefs that were under girding these statements. The scriptures teach these truths very significantly. In fact you do not need to move very far out of the gospel of John, I John and Revelation to prove this point.  These were the scriptures that were considered when these creeds were drawn up.

To baptists the catholic faith is the body of truths contained in scripture, which is fully inerrant in the original autographs and is the object of our joint faith. The faith of the apostles is the scriptures. The scriptures are an absolute authority in all maters of faith and practice (sola scriptura). This is the only reason why the creeds worked in the first place. There was no tradition for these early counsels to draw on. The only authority that they had was the scriptures. The one holy and catholic faith was further define in The Athanasian Creed, where that faith is placed into propositional form. We have left this whole idea of the scriptures as being revealed truth from a Holy and Just God to sinful man, as being too old fashioned for modern man. The turth is that the scriptures are propotional truth. The truth of scripture today is laughed at and ridiculed, but as much by those who claim to be Christians as those who don’t. Instead of accepting the truths contained in the book of Genesis as being wholly true, we give into the human spirit of these days and accept the Darwinian proposition.

The scriptures by themselves are sufficient and nothing else is needed. Whatever the need is whether in doctrine or practice, the scriptures cover it. The problem with tradition is, that it has a way of changing from time to time. Tradition is dependent on man and man alone. Tradition that is not born out of a belief in the doctrine of scripture is a recipe for error. In fact tradition is how errors have crept in in the first place. Tradition is what powered the Pharisee of the New Testament, they believed that their words of interpretation were necessary to understand the Bible. For some reason or other it seemed that the scriptures needed some help from man, because the law was hard to understand. Really, the Bible does not need our help and it is all that is necessary for faith and salvation.

Written by tfheringer

December 24, 2008 at 2:43 am

Landmark Baptists the true church

I have been a Christian longer then some of you have been alive and in that period of time I have come to several conclusions. The least not of which the Roman Catholic church is an abomination to God. The blood of martyrs is on her hands and it can not be washed away in any way. An unbroken heritage back to new testament times is the heritage of modern Baptists. Some of these were almost exterminated by the Roman Catholic church, but enough were left to continue the New Testament church to the Present. The Roman Catholic church is a harlot and the mother of harlots spoken of in the book of Revelations. The Lord God is pleading with those still in this apostate church to with draw away from her, because the final judgment is coming. Check out the history of the Piedmont in Northern Italy to read of what the Roman Catholic church has done to these godly people.

The Montanists

Middle of the second century

The Novatians

250 A.D.

The Donatists

311 A.D.

The Paulicians

660 A.D.

The Albigenses

Tenth to sixteenth centuries

The Paterines

Eleventh to thirteenth centuries

The Petrobrussians and Henricians

1104 A. D.

The Arnoldists

1139 A. D.

The Waldenses

Earlier then 1120

The Anabaptists

Sixteenth century

Written by tfheringer

October 25, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Posted in Baptist, Catholicism

The Commandments to be a preacher?

The responsibilities that come with being a pastor are specifically spelled out in I Timothy 4:1–5. Today we see none of this in the purpose driven and seeker movement churches. It has all but completely disappeared. The result of this is that these are no longer churches, in fact these are really just social halls with a unique name, but they are not true churches.

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
(2Ti 4:1)

First, the “charge” to a pastor/elder (bishop–this word is actually a phonetic rendering of the greek word, which really means elder) is to a spiritually mature male believer. This charge encompasses our relationship to God and to the Lord Jesus Christ. As an elder I am responsible before God and before my savior and will be held answerable before Him at the judgment. This being an elder is not to be taken lightly in any way. When a man who calls himself a pastor chooses to sell himself on EBAY I get really concerned about the message this is sending to real Christians.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
(2Ti 4:2)

Preaching the Word of God is the pastors most visible irresponsibility, but that does not mean it is the only responsibility for the man of God. However, it is one that has been abandoned by many today who have set themselves behind the pulpit. These men have missed somewhere what it means to preach God’s word and instead have substituted there own ideas and methods.

They are to never drift away from the calling that God has given them and they should remain always at a heightened awareness of the work to which God has called him. He should be constantly wrapped up in the ministry of caring for his flock. Wholly involved with the care for his flock.

The pastor needs to be ministering to his flock, by pointing out errors, both those doctrinally as well as those spiritually. However, there is really a close relationship between doctrinal errors and spiritual errors, one flows naturally (sin) out of the other. Following close behind reproving (proving his flock again and then again) his flock is to be rebuking them and exhorting them to be more faithful to God’s word and the purity of life that it requires. Where has purity and holy living gone to in these wicked last days. The man of God needs to be patiently exhibiting constance in his life and to the lives of his congregation (flock). Notice that doctrine is mentioned here, it is the most important element of a pastor’s preaching if doctrine is missing, then the truth is also missing. The Word of God is our only source in matters of faith (doctrine) and practice (doctrine again). Not only is the bible authoritative in all matters of life it is also accurate as a history book as well.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:3)

We have finally reached a point of time in history where this part of a pastor’s calling is as important as it has ever been. This calling a pastor on how good he can talk or how entertaining he can be is completely un-scriptural and un-biblical. A pastor is not who we are going to church to listen to, but he is one who should be calling us to faith, worship, purity and holy living. Many out there in these days who call themselves Christians are not really Christians and never have been. They want a preacher to tell them it is “OK to be immoral”, “it is OK to be a homosexual”, but God does not call a pastor to preach about what is OK for us. He calls a pastor to tell us what is not OK for us, this is what reproving and rebuking is all about.

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
(2Ti 4:4)

The big problem today is that men do not want to hear the truth, but if some scientist somewhere seemingly proves that life began on the moon, then men will flock to that truth. However, the real truths of God’s Word have been turned into fairy tales (fables) and  these “fairy tales” make a mockery of God’s Word.

But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
(2Ti 4:5)

A pastor is a man of God who has been called to watch over God’s flock which is a particular local church. If this means that he is to have afflictions and we do then he is to endure them with patience. A pastor is to be a soul winner and in so doing he is to put on trial his ministry and prove its worth.

None of these charges says a thing about innovations or selling your family on EBAY or having entertaining episodes in church. None of this validates a purpose driven church. None of this validates the seeker church. None of this validates most churches practices today. This includes most protestants and catholics there is none that are left out of this charge. A pastor must have a wife and family so that he can show others how to live. He is an example to the flock and he cannot be so if his life is messed up in anyway.

Written by tfheringer

July 16, 2008 at 12:52 pm

The Negative Proof

From Baptist Church History or Perpetuity by W. A. Jarrel

“Turning to other denominations, we see there was nothing with the distinctive marks of the Romish church until many centuries after the first. The blasphemous title of “Universal Bishop” was conferred on Boniface the III, A. D. 606. This was the origin of the Pope and of theRomish church–originated by the Emeror Phocas. In A. D. 756 the Pope became temporal sovereign.1

See Smith’s Dictionary of Christian Antiquities, vol.2, p. 1651–1675, for a most scholarly and conclusive demonstration of the post–apostolic origin ofPopery; and with it, vol. 1, p. 209, demonstrating the none-apostolic origin of the hierarchy. *

By consulting Bergier’s Dogmatics, vol. 1, p. 488; Dollinger’s First Age of the Church, pp. 318, 319; Darr’s History of the Christian Church, p. 350; Alzog’s Universal History, p. 105, it will be seen that Baptists are Scriptural as to baptism while Romanism is an apostacy. Thus, Darra concedes that in the first age of the church, “Baptism was conferred by immersion.” Dollinger concedes: “Like that of St. Johyn, by imerrsion of the whole person, which is the only meaning of the New Testament word. A. mere pouring or sprinkling was not thought of. St. Paul made this immersion a symbol of burial with Christ, and the emerging a sign ofresurrection with Him to a new Life.”

Dollinger further concedes: “There is no proof or hint in the New Testament that the Apostles baptised infants or ordered them to be baptised. When the baptism of households is spoken of it is left doubtful whether they contained children and whether, if so, they were baptised.”1

The same thing is true of transubstantiation, confession to priests, of giving only the bread to the laity, of purgatory, of penance, of image worship, ofburning candles before the altar, of every distinctive feature of the Romish church. Thus, nothing is more certain than that, instead of the Romish church have the Christian Succession, it has the succession of being spewed out of Christ’s mouth.2 But Dr. Duncan says: “That whenGesenius, the great German Hebraist and Biblical critic, first learned what Baptist Churches were, he exclaimed: ‘How exactly like the primitive churches.'”8

The footnotes are all from:

Jarrel, W. A. Baptist Church Perpetuity or History, Published by the Author, Dallas, Texas, 1894

Written by tfheringer

July 14, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Posted in Baptist, Bible, Catholicism